Ok, so you want another example of why wasting your money on Dollarmakers and Robin Elliott is a BAD idea?
He doesn’t know what he is talking about. One of his examples of a “money making” business is use old website addresses and direct them to another business. His logic says “If the business was doing well, they would have a lot of traffic and you could divert that traffic to a similar company that is still solvent, and they will pay you a referral fee for all the new business you are sending them.”
Hmm. Well, if the business was doing so well, why did they go out of business?
Sorry Robin, try again. This Dollarmakers crap doesn’t work. It is time people learn the truth about the Dollarmakers Scam. It is all a facade to get the members to pay you $1000 so you can sell them more crap and MLM scams.
January 19, 2009 at 3:07 am |
One of the problems I had with Robin Elliott was that when I asked him about specifics of his joint ventures, IE.. coupons… he didn’t really have clear answers.. I got a sense that he hasn’t done many of the tips and techniques that he teaches.
January 22, 2009 at 6:54 pm |
After thought about Robin Elliott being a scam..
There are usually two sides to every story
At the time I got involved with Robin Elliott, I was searching for information on Joint Venturing. Robin Elliott taught me about joint venturing, and how the basics of how it works.
It’s important to note that joint ventures are all about assets and relationships. Developing relationships and working with assets.
It’s also all about finding underutilized assets and then capitalizing on them.
Again, Robin teaches the basics of this topic. He doesn’t go into depth, because as you mentioned, he wants to sell you the more expensive services.
So… IMO for $500 I think I got my money worth in education.
Whether I make money with that knowledge is another discussion.
Robin provides the education, and then you have to work with it. It’s certainly NOT an easy or quick process.
And yes.. I am doing joint ventures in my business as a result of the information I received from Robin Elliott.
If you’re looking for much more from DollarMakers.com I’m not certain that you’re going to get much more than this basic knowledge.
I thought I should share this because on the one side, I am kind of unhappy with DollarMakers, but on the other, they did fulfill their basic requirement.
May 22, 2009 at 9:55 pm |
*applaud* We complety agree with everything the author of this website has said. It is a pitty that more annoyed members (we know they are out there) do not speak out and share their experiences with Dollarmakers, it might save some people the $1000 that they do not have to spend.
For anyone in the future thinking about joining dollarmakers, ask for true testimonials since this dollarmakers site has been arond, and then ask how much he has made. The testimonials he provides are old, there have not been new ones posted in the last few years, except from people who gloat about how great the information was but have no idea what to do with it and never manage to make any money.
It is amazing that he talks about JV’s and charges the money that he does when in reality if you do an event with Robin you will be paying upfront with no guarantee that you will make anything. He will never agree to a JV where his money his concerned. He talks about no risk (FOR HIM) that is. All the risk is on you.
Robin is not a nice person, he is nice in your face but watch your back as he will have nothing good to say on a one on one. His only goal is that if it’s works for them “it’s great” for that minute but then watach your ass. He will even tell people in his group not to do business with you but he will not take of the site becasue he know that he will have to return the money and that will never happen. He is as two faced as day become night.
Due your due diligence on Robin and keep your ideas to yourself or they will be his. They don’t pay people. I wonder how many people are floating around that is owed money from Robin or Patrick. Many
August 1, 2009 at 6:11 pm |
Finally, another ex-member stands up!
I just can’t believe the suckers who are paying for the $19,000 “course” that Robin Elliott is now offering. These people will probably be suing him in a year once they realize they’ve been taken. They just paid $19,000 to do Robin’s grunt work for him.
Man!
August 1, 2009 at 8:02 pm |
hmm….
Robin Elliott is a self proclaimed capitalist… he’s in it to make money.. and he’s pretty aggressive about that fact…
I am currently doing joint ventures… IE.. utilizing underutilized assets in my business. (Outsourcing) I am trading dollars for people in India to work for me.
The concept is good… however, it’s not easy. It’s taking me along time to figure out how to do what I’m doing.
As far as Robin and Patrick owing money… I don’t think they’re scamming people out of money… I’ve been paid everything owing to me.
Why do you say Robin Elliott owes you money?
Other than that I maintain that Joint ventures are NOT get rich schemes. The concept he teaches are valid.. They’re also taught by Jay Abraham and others.
The way Robin Elliott makes it sound so easy, is probably what bothers people. To retire in one year with joint ventures is extremely difficult and takes focussed work over along time. But it is possible.
I am doing it and am proof that it works.
August 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm |
For the fact that you both are posting anonymously makes me think that you just want to complain… and you don’t want to do the work…
Are you REALLY serious about making money with joint ventures?
August 15, 2009 at 5:47 pm |
Nobody needs to use Robin Elliott’s bad Dollarmakers publicity to promote themselves, even me. I don’t want it to look like I am badmouthing Robin Elliott just to make myself look good.
Besides, most testimonials are anonymous anyway – so why can’t negative testimonials be anonymous?
I am sure that the posters here do not mean to simply complain and do no work. In fact, we have done a lot of “work” spinning our wheels going nowhere. We even started a Dollarmakers “Chapter” in our city and tried very hard to put Robin Elliott’s JV “concepts” to work. But they were just that – ‘concepts’. None of the REAL businesses we approached made any money, let alone us make any money.
Robin Elliott’s Dollarmakers is a scam for many many reasons. Yes you expect, pay, and obtain course material. But if I hired a doctor and got medical advice, does it matter that he is a quack without a license? I would say so, YES. The information you get is bad, because Robin himself doesn’t use it or have any experience using it either.
Truthfully… the whole “JV” teaching is just a cover for the one investment model he is pushing, and more recently, a cover for you to get into one of his MLM businesses.
Hypocrisy is a scamming tool when you are teaching a course, make no mistake about it. When you purport to make yourself out to be an expert, and you are in fact NOT an expert, it is a scam. When you teach people one thing, and do the opposite yourself: you are a scammer. The quack doctor without a license is scamming you. The “Prophit of profit” who makes “profit” from the course he sells you and NOT the use of said information is also a scam.
Trying to get Dollarmakers Chapter members to PAY HIM A FEE for an independent club, or demand that they are part of HIS dollarmekrs club to be a Chapter member, is just outrageous.
Stating that Robin Elliott’s Dollarmakers club is the “cream of the crop”, as he does, when in fact it is “cream of crap” with high attrition rates is also bad. Lying is scamming you. There are very few truly successful people in the club, and they are not successful from Joint Ventures. Sales maybe, but not JVs.
At the end of the day, a prospective Dollarmakers “scamee” needs to know the real truth. Robin Elliott does take your money, yes, and provide a course. It is entertaining, as he does it many many times per year. After all, the course pays him better than his JVs. But know that during the course he will give you bad information, that he does not use himself, that does not actually work, simply as a cover to sell you one or two of his own products: the Dollarmakers CLub membership, the MLMs, and the investment vehicle
Note: I am not saying the investment he promotes is crap, I am simply saying that Dollarmakers is a cover for his promotion of this investment. The promotion itself is not a Joint Venture. It is simply sales. There is a distinct difference.
BUYER BEWARE!
August 15, 2009 at 8:10 pm |
The only reasons I don’t like miscellaneous are 1) It’s not as credible …. IE… I don’t mind saying who I am… my website, etc… at least you can check me out… I’m real and credible.
The other reason is this… if somebody appreciates your comment… and they want to do business, because I’m in the JV business, then they’re more likely to approach me..
I won’t approach a miscellaneous commenter for obvious reasons….
I appreciate your posts so far… as people need to know both sides of the story with Robin Elliott and his programs.
September 3, 2009 at 11:12 pm |
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower
“QUOTE”
Common reactions to whistleblowing
Ideas about whistleblowing vary widely. Whistleblowers are commonly seen as selfless martyrs for public interest and organizational accountability; others view them as a ‘tattle tale’ or “snitches” (slang), solely pursuing personal glory and fame. Some academics (such as Thomas Alured Faunce) consider that whistleblowers should at least be entitled to a rebuttable presumption that they are attempting to apply ethical principles in the face of obstacles and that whistleblowing would be more respected in governance systems if it had a firmer academic basis in Virtue ethics.
It is probable that many people do not even consider blowing the whistle, not only because of fear of retaliation, but also because of fear of losing their relationships at work and outside work.
Because the majority of cases are very low-profile and receive little or no media attention and because whistleblowers who do report significant misconduct are usually put in some form of danger or persecution
“UNQUOTE”
Anti-Dollarmakers persecution is rampant. I don’t see the need to endanger my own reputation.
Cheers
September 3, 2009 at 11:17 pm |
Anti-Dollarmakers persecution is rampant. I don’t see the need to endanger my own reputation. ??
Hmmm….. while I’m sure there are many upset people… I haven’t seen too much anti-dollarmakers info on the net… do you have some urls?
I don’t mind whistle blowing… things should be discussed openly, if they’re true… some people are upset about dollarmakers.com and Robin Elliott… some people are happy with him….
I’m interested to hear from both sides.
October 9, 2009 at 6:45 pm |
I am currently looking for a good forum to discuss the JV concept and Robin Elliott’s is the main one that pops up in the search engine. I am curious to know how many people are active in the forum. It don’t seem like there is too many places if any to learn and share this concept so what is one to do?
October 12, 2009 at 1:46 am |
The “concepts” are just that – concepts. They don’t actually work. There are severe problems with the constructs, which I have outlined. That’s why there aren’t any other forums. Nobody (including Robin J. Elliott) uses them the way Robin J. Elliott teaches them to Dollarmakers dupes. Useless & unprofitable, sorry, but those are the facts. I have yet to meet anyone who has actually earned their membership fee back in profit (besides Robin J. Elliott that is…).
Finding anti-dollarmakers is EASY. Take a snap-shot of the membership today. Revisit the website in 1 year + 1 day and see the 99% turnover once the year long membership expires. Heck, even people from the testimonials aren’t part of the “Club” anymore. I have contact these people who “expect to earn $250,000 per year” and non of them have. Surprise surprise. Contact the people who left – they will likely tell you the membership was a waste of time and money.
It seems I am the only one concerned enough about others to actually post something to the web. I consider this a public service – I only post about once per quarter.
October 12, 2009 at 1:44 pm |
I appreciate your concern..
In order to make joint venturing to work, you need to build an infrastructure. You’re actually building the architecture of a business. Without that, joint venturing is useless… You’ve got to be in the business for a while and take it seriously.
Our bootcamp had realtors who were joint venturing on real estate. They were doing really well…
I’m outsourcing to the phillipines and India.. Utilizing resources in those countries. That’s joint venturing… finding underutilized assets and leveraging them.
It wrong to say that joint venturing doesn’t work. It’s correct to say that while Robin Elliott only gives the beginning part of the picture in his work. he doesn’t help people build out the joint venture business at all..
After listening to Jay Abraham… i noticed a difference right away. He actually gives people the advice to build the structure of the business.
BTW.. on a side point.. I noticed that the Alaska cruise this year didn’t look like it went off as planned… There were no pictures on the site or the internet.
I agree DollarMakers retention is really bad… they’re not giving any follow up value…
Last point on this…. Joint Venturing works!! It’s a business, and as such needs to have structure and foundation built. This takes years to do if you’re new at it.
August 14, 2010 at 2:21 am |
DollarMakers is not a scam. t’s awesome as I’ve received $1000s of real gift certificates. I’m picking up my FREE X-banner stand from DollarMakers’s gift certificate.
September 5, 2010 at 11:29 pm |
Sure Tim, gift certificates, that’s great. We’d love to see proof of these “thousands of dollars in gift certificates” you claim to have received. Please, post the companies names and contacts so we can verify.
Even if you do, will these free gift certificates provide that “expectation to earn $250,000 in passive income” that everyone seems to confidently expect? Didn’t think so…
Yet another claim of getting something for nothing… a very Robin Elliott way of thinking, and trying to get free money out of others. Very evident of the way he thinks “Convince others to give you free stuff, you’ll get rich”