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November 8, 2009 at 12:44 am |
Robin has left a trail of tears and devastated lives in his wake. Some people have been lucky and only lost a few hundred dollars. Others have lost their livelihoods and life savings.
Robin’s modus operandi is to find out as much as he can about someone; their strengths and weaknesses, their aspirations, and most importantly how much money they have or can loan. He will also try to get leads from you. He then sells you a “business opportunity” that usually happens to cost the same amount of money that you have.
After he has taken your money he provides some training which consists of regurgitated Jay Abrahams techniques and some of his poorly-written books.
You rush out motivated and filled with hope to make your promised fortune. After a few rejections you start realize that all these impressive sounding techniques and theories don’t work in the real world. At that point you call Robin who will give you some motivational clichés and tell you to work harder.
Eventually he will stop returning your calls and the ugly truth will dawn on you that you have been scammed. You are now one of the “losers” that Robin mocks.
If you don’t have money Robin will try to get you to work for him for free on a commission only basis. He will milk you for contacts and get free labor from you until you realize that you have been scammed and quit.
Robin has been running scams like this for years.
There are four legs to his business. The first one is monthly subscriptions to his JV club. This serves to generate cash flow as well as funnelling people into his scams.
The second leg of his business is seminars. I can’t say that this aspect of the business is really a scam as there is some useful information to be obtained during the seminars and they won’t ruin you financially. These seminars are used to generate cash flow, allow Robin to travel as a tax write-off, feed his insatiable ego and get targets for his other more expensive scams.
The third leg of his business is MLM and the other “investment opportunities” that he has. These are mostly scams too but not necessarily all of them. Extreme caution is advised.
The fourth leg of Robin’s business and his major cash cow is the big ticket items such as his “mentor” course for $19,000. This is where he charges people a huge amount of money to basically teach them the same information that is contained in his books and seminars but re-branded and re-priced. Sometimes there are also business and investment schemes of a dubious nature. This is where Robin makes the most money and in turn where people lose the most money and sometimes their livelihoods.
This part of his business is what upsets me the most. Does Robin have no conscience? How does he sleep at night knowing that his luxurious lifestyle is paid for by other peoples hard work, savings and broken dreams? Only a sociopath or someone that has sold his soul to the devil can look someone in the eye and then take their life savings with a smile.
If you are considering buying his course ponder this: how can you go on a one week course and learn so much information that you can now double the profit of any business in any industry? It is simply not possible. There are some professional consultants out there but they are specialised in a particular field (for example the airline industry) and have years of experience working in that industry.
How are you going to sell your services? How is that phone call going to go?
“Dear Mr Company owner, I can double you profits as a highly paid business consultant”
“Really, I have been in the auto maintenance business for 20 years and run a large company? What are your qualifications in this industry?”
“I er, went on a one week course by Robin Elliott”
“Robin who? Sorry, I don’t think I can help you.”
After a dozen of these calls you will realize that you have been duped. Try selling yourself as a consultant before doing the course as a test run and you will see how difficult if not impossible it is.
If joint ventures are as profitable as Robin makes them out to be why does Robin not use his legendary business connections to make millions off joint ventures instead of running around giving seminars teaching other people how to do joint ventures? It’s like the fortune teller who will sell you the lotto numbers for $5.
When Robin’s JV partners leave and cancel their memberships, when investors lose their money, when the businesses he sells invariably fail Robin blames his customers. He calls them losers and says it is their fault because they are lazy or stupid. I realize that even the best business can be undermined by poor management, however when the attrition and failure rate is 99% the problem is not the customer, the problem is Robin.
If you are considering using Dollarmakers my advice is as follows:
Ask for referrals of people that have been involved in business with Robin for more than one year and speak to them personally. Make sure it’s not a friend of his or a vendor (for example his printer) but an actual investor.
Robin is big on no risk joint ventures so why not try the same technique on him that he uses on everyone else? If Robin is really so confident that his mentor course for example will work instead of you paying $19,000 up front why don’t you enter into a joint venture with Robin where you pay the costs up front (maybe $1,000) and then you split the profit you make with him 50/50? That way you both win if his course actually works. If he won’t do it then you know it’s a scam.
The reality is that Robin does believe in no risk – but only to him. You bear all the risk and subsequent loss.
Use extreme caution when dealing with Robin. He is a very slick salesman and knows how to use your strengths and weaknesses against you.
The reality is Robin is just a short, fat two-bit con man with delusions of grandeur. The ideas he sells don’t work and are not even his own to begin with. The wheel turns and one day he will get what’s due to him. Mark my words. His downfall will probably take the form of a class action lawsuit.
Notes in the margin:
To the blog owner: Thanks for a great blog – I wish I saw it in 2007. If this blog saves one person from losing their money it will have been worth it. Is it possible to also add Robin J Elliott and Joint Ventures to the blog search terms to get more hits? Maybe you could also act as a central point where people that wish to sue Robin could get in touch with each other.
If you are interested in joint ventures go to amazon.com and get a book by Jay Abrahams. It’s the same information Robin teaches at a fraction of the cost.
My sister-in-law and doctor are both South African and are good, hard-working people. Please don’t judge all South Africans all by this one man’s actions.
Robin brags about earning allot of money and paying no tax, can someone from Revenue Canada look into this?
November 22, 2009 at 12:42 am |
Robin has left a trail of tears and devastated lives in his wake. Some people have been lucky and only lost a few hundred dollars. Others have lost their livelihoods and life savings.
Robin’s modus operandi is to find out as much as he can about someone; their strengths and weaknesses, their aspirations, and most importantly how much money they have or can loan. He will also try to get leads from you. He then sells you a “business opportunity” that usually costs roughly the same amount of money that you happen to have.
After he has taken your money he provides some training which consists of regurgitated 90’s era Jay Abraham’s techniques and some of his poorly-written books. At that point you rush out motivated and filled with hope to make your promised fortune. After a few rejections you start realize that all these impressive sounding techniques and theories don’t work in the real world. At that point you call Robin who will give you some motivational clichés and tell you to work harder.
Eventually he will stop returning your calls and the ugly truth will dawn on you that you have been scammed. You are now one of the “losers” that Robin mocks.
If you don’t have money Robin will try to get you to work for him for free on a commission only basis. He will milk you for contacts and get free labor from you until you realize that you have been scammed and quit.
Robin has been running scams like this for years.
There are four legs to his business. The first one is monthly subscriptions to his JV club. This serves to generate cash flow as well as funnelling people into his scams.
The second leg of his business is seminars. I can’t say that this aspect of the business is really a scam as there is some useful information to be obtained during the seminars and they won’t ruin you financially. These seminars are used to generate cash flow, allow Robin to travel as a tax write-off, feed his insatiable ego and get targets for his other more expensive scams.
The third leg of his business is MLM and the other “investment opportunities” that he has. These are mostly scams too but not necessarily all of them. Extreme caution is advised.
The fourth leg of Robin’s business and his major cash cow is the big ticket items such as his “mentor” course for $19,000. This is where he charges people a huge amount of money to basically teach them the same information that is contained in his books and seminars but re-branded and re-priced. Sometimes there are also business and investment schemes of a dubious nature. This is where Robin makes the most money and in turn where people lose the most money and sometimes their livelihoods.
This part of his business is what upsets me the most. Does Robin have no conscience? How does he sleep at night knowing that his luxurious lifestyle is paid for by other people’s hard work, savings and broken dreams? Only a sociopath or someone that has sold his soul to the devil can look someone in the eye and then take their life savings with a smile.
If you are considering buying this course consider this: how can you go on a one week course and learn so much information that you can now double the profit of any business in any industry? It is simply not possible. There are some professional consultants out there but they are specialised in a particular field (for example the airline industry) and have years of experience working in that industry.
How are you going to sell your services? How is that phone call going to go?
“Dear Mr Company owner, I can double you profits as a highly paid business consultant”
“Really, I have been in the auto maintenance business for 20 years and run a large company? What are your qualifications in this industry?”
“I er, went on a one week course by Robin Elliott”
“Robin who? Sorry, I don’t think I can help you.”
After a dozen of these calls you will realize that you have been duped. Try selling yourself as a consultant before doing the course as a test run and you will see how difficult if not impossible it is.
If joint ventures are as profitable as Robin makes them out to be why does he not use his legendary business connections and acumen to make millions off joint ventures instead of running around giving seminars teaching other people on how to do joint ventures? It’s like the fortune teller who will sell you the lotto numbers for $5.
Here in a nutshell is the joint venture system and why it does not work in the real world. The JV system can be summarised as follows: you get two businesses to exchange client lists and offer their clients a 20% discount on the other companies’ services. You then take 10% commission on all future sales.
Here is why it does not work: firstly over 90% of companies work on a 30% gross margin and a 10% net profit. When you give a 20% discount and a 10% commission you just lost all your profits. When you include the additional costs of the mail out as well as the logistical problems and costs of trying to keep track of where the customer came from and then calculating and paying out commissions to JV partners you are losing money.
This is why companies don’t use joint ventures. It’s not because Robin is a business genius that has an idea no one has thought of yet. The concept of joint ventures has been around for decades. It’s because it does not work. JV’s are very similar to MLM pyramid schemes; it’s sounds great in theory and will make everyone rich but in practice it’s a failed system that only makes the top few rich while everyone else loses money.
When Robin’s JV partners leave and cancel their membership, when investors lose their money, when the businesses he sells invariably fail Robin blames his customers. He calls them losers and says it is their fault because they are lazy or stupid. I realize that even the best business can be undermined by poor management, however when the attrition and failure rate is 99% the problem is not the customer, the problem is Robin.
If you are still considering using Dollarmakers my advice is as follows:
Ask for referrals of people that have been involved in business with Robin for more than one year and speak to them personally. Make sure it’s not a friend of his or a vendor (for example his printer) but an actual investor.
Robin is big on no risk joint ventures so why not try the same technique on him that he uses on everyone else? If Robin is really so confident that his mentor course for example will work instead of you paying $19,000 up front why don’t you enter into a joint venture with Robin where you pay the costs up front (maybe $1,000) and then you split the profit you make with him 50/50? That way you both win if his course actually works. If he won’t do it then you know it’s a scam.
The reality is that Robin does believe in no risk – but only to him. You bear all the risk and subsequent loss.
Use extreme caution when dealing with Robin. He is a very slick salesman and knows how to use your strengths and weaknesses against you.
The reality is Robin is just a short, fat two-bit con man with delusions of grandeur. The ideas he sells don’t work and are not even his own to begin with. The wheel turns and one day he will get what’s due to him. Mark my words. His downfall will probably take the form of a class action lawsuit.
Notes in the margin:
To the blog owner: Thanks for a great blog. If this blog saves one person from losing their money it will have been worth it. Is it possible to also add Robin J Elliott and Joint Ventures to the blog search terms to get more hits? Maybe you could also act as a central point where people that wish to sue Robin could get in touch with each other.
If you are still interested in joint ventures go to amazon.com and get a book by Jay Abrahams. It’s the same information Robin teaches at a fraction of the cost.
My sister-in-law and doctor are both South African and are good, hard-working people. Please don’t judge all South Africans all by this one man’s actions.
Robin brags about earning allot of money and paying no tax, can someone from Revenue Canada look into this?
December 17, 2009 at 8:15 pm |
Robin Elliott used to be a preacher in South Africa who then got heavily involved with MLM’s in that country. This might explain his judgmental ‘sermon’ like blogs and rather thin business resume. I guess he swapped the spiritual teachings of the Bible for the capitalist teachings of Ayn Rand – and figured out the latter was far more lucrative!
His model is cleverly designed to keep money flowing out of your wallet and into his. He actually produces nothing at all – so of course there is ‘no risk’ (that is no risk to Robin). He does a very strong ‘preacher/congregation’ sales pitch. You are either with Robin (winner who will be financially redeemed) or not, in which case you are a loser, mystic, beggar, or any other of Rand’s descriptions.
In short, he’s building a database of people to market his different MLM and affiliate programs to (and charging them an arm and a leg in the process??) I guess if you fly around the world with a canned get-rich-quick plug, you will be able to fool enough people and legally take their money.
God Bless Capitalism!